Same parts, different packaging. Apr 10, 14 0 64 Florida. That said, it can be temperamental with regard to magazines- slightest bit of dirt in a mag will cause feed problems. I'd like another thinking about one of the Colt Series 70 Governments. Had a Springer Loaded that I sold but that was a nice pistol as well.
For it-absolutely-has-to-work reliability, Glock gets my nod. It's a 19 or 23 for everyday carry. I'm looking at Gun Site's course and I'll use a Glock for that. But I doubt it. Today for giggles I tried every non Anything with a more than 8 round capacity. Glock still has a blocky feel and makes me feel like my wrist is at the wrong angle. I have an xdm in 9mm so maybe that is why I liked it. If your definition of "polishing" metal doesn't acknowledge that it removes material, I'm sorry to say that your definition isn't correct.
I also don't know who "Les Bauer" is, but I suggest strongly that if you do, you get his help before installing his parts. Also, if you ever need a new safety fit to one of your guns, I hope you'll hire someone to do it, because no rational individual could possibly think that process does not require removing material.
May 13, 11 47 Mississippi. I have seven s,all but one a Sig I built. I have for years and still carry a Government Model every single day and always have one at hand.
Every one has been completely reliable and far more accurate than any of my friends plastic pistols. I have one hand and with the I can completely strip and repair or maintain it. Many of the polymer pistols I would be unable to do so. I owned a Glock 35 and while it was interesting, it had no soul or character whatsoever. This void created by the very existence of the thing is enough to avoid them like a creature cast out by God himself.
Once you put down the cold abomination that is a Glock and pick up a that fits your hand like a glove you just want to say " I'll never leave you again baby,let's snuggle up and get warm". Once again nobody said anything about fitting thumb safetys.
I'm talking about tuning using ruby stones and grit sand paper. If necessary I can post pictures of my work that will more than give everyone an idea of my qualifications. My point is simple. It's common for me to receive a stock out of the box and with some tuning bring performance par with semi customs like Baer.
Nov 9, 77 0 35 Las Cruces. I Love mine. Easy to tune entry of part choices and easy to make it look sharp.
And a tuned will shoot damn good. Dec 29, 0 0 46 Texas. Usually, you can, as you say, take an average and with a little work turn it in to a great My dad, and nearly everyone else I remember seeing at the matches while growing up shot either a Colt or SA that had been tuned up as you described. It just seemed like the custom pistols came out of the box ready to go without the need of a good smith. They have stopping power would be my first choice.
One guy had been shot 14 times, totally good to go once we stopped the bleeding. Accuracy and reliability might be other reasons. Why people hate it? Edit: A in anything but. Aug 10, 1 46 Tx. The Fusion is by far the most fun to shoot But in the event it hits the fan, I would like to think I would be able to hit a target with 9 rounds I don't need 13 it's just a feel good to have 4 more rounds. My accuracy between the Sig, Glock, Beretta and cannot be compared I just shoot better with a for some reason.
Yes, the is a full custom gun but a stock sig p and the Glock should at least be a bit closer in accuracy potential. I suppose it doesn't matter as long as you can get rounds on target and the gun feels good in your hand, good sight picture etc.
I like all handguns but if I am going down in a gunfight I want my Mike Seelander helped me with some CQB work with my full size and know I feel totally confident in most all situations drawing from concealment and engaging multiple threats at arms length. To each their own Cserv Private Full Member. Mar 29, 29 1 wherever I may roam Always thought I wanted a , but just didn't know.
It fit and the trigger And the accuracy was nice. It's the crisp, short, light trigger pull of the combined with the narrow grip that fits well in nearly any size hand that puts the rounds toward the center of the target, not some inherent mechanical principle. Yes, custom s can be more mechanically accurate than a Glock or Sig, but the overwhelming majority of users aren't good enough to tell the difference, and any pistol is capable of shooting a tight enough group at any fighting distance.
In fact, I'd probably have to shoot a dozen or more 50 yard groups to be sure myself, or put the guns in a vise. X-fan Sergeant Full Member. Nov 24, 4 57 British Columbia, Canada www. Nothing more beautiful than a nice custom For me it sort of became the odd man out. Still own a few though. I do most of my shooting with a and for competition. I don't think it gets much better They pretty much go bang every time Though as much as you would expect a 2, Pure bullshit INHO.
Once tuned mine have been at least as reliable as a Glock. I prefer a Glock or for defensive purposes. I have seen a dead reliable suddenly become unreliable at the most inopportune times Usually a minor issue, but Speaking of Glocks is there anything uglier than a custom Glock?
Customizing a Glock is sort of like taking the ugliest chick in the bar and dressing her up By lighting her face on fire then putting it out with a pitchfork. My STIs are nicer in every imaginable way compared to my other guns, and they have a lifetime warranty.
The only problem I ever had with one of them turned out to be about 20 bullets in a box of that were. If your experience is different, you are definitely the exception.
So, since he didn't think it was the pinnacle of perfection Everyone has their own preferences, guys just seem to believe their way is the ONLY way. Case in point, I guarantee someone will make a poke at me personally over this post. They won't try to have a friendly discussion, they will just say I'm wrong "because the is the best! Just wait and see haha And you guys know what I mean, we've all heard them. Please don't get my tone wrong. I'm not bashing s, I like them.
Not love. What's funny to me is how people think they are so great for no other reason than they've been told they are great. Teach me. And you can not use the reason "because it's been around for so long.
LIST your criteria as to what makes an exceptional handgun and we'll see if any other designs fit. Once again, I bring up the chevy vs ford debate. Their is no winner, just preference, but most shooters can't leave it at that. Instead they have to try and tell me that the gun that happens to feel good in MY hand is inferior to theirs "just because". Also, some food for thought Glocks took a lot of heat due to being from a foreign country Austria and being half made of plastic in a world of and Hi-Power lovers.
Really the only choice for LEOs for a sidearm was a single stack in SA most of which couldn't manipulate the safety under stress to save their lives- literally , a revolver, the bulky "one size fits all" Beretta 92FS, overly expensive Sigs or the aging Browning Hi-Powers. Glocks filled the gap for inexpensive, reliable, good quality, lightweight, easy to use pistol.
Glock essentially filled the perfect niche that was missing from the pistol community. So why the haters? Every gun minus the Beretta, which was made in Italy at the time was constructed in the good 'ol USA and are all made of solid metal.
They are all "tried and true" guns that have worked for many years from the US military down to the police Want to test the real ignorance? Iceberg Forest Grove. Messages 1, Reactions 1, Bronze Supporter. Messages Reactions Iceberg said:. Click to expand Staff Member. Silver Lifetime. Messages 6, Reactions 7, Many hate them because they are Polymer. Many hate them because they are not American.
Then there is the grip angle, no grip safety, and on and on. The best one I've heard is they make too much profit on the gun, and are "screwing" their customers. Would it be better if they went broke? As was said, Glocks are the best tool for the job.
They are basically the AK of handguns. Relatively inexpensive, rugged as a hammer, easy to operate and maintain, and even easier to learn how to shoot well. Put it all together and it would be pretty difficult to come up with a better self defense tool. Bill T. Messages 56 Reactions 0. My fingers are to short. I cant pull the trigger!! Ok, I set myself my lets hear the jokes!! Redcap Lewis County, WA. Messages 3, Reactions 2, I don't hate them at all. Glocks are a tough, utilitarian weapon.
I just don't like the way they feel in my hand and they don't point particularly well for me either although I also don't have much trigger time with one. Messages 5, Reactions Most people that don't like them, have never owned one. They are excellent firearms. They do suffer a bad rep because of people parroting internet BS about them. I'll admit to joking about them being hand-grenades myself.
Glock as a company is another story. They are horrible to deal with as a dealer. Great guns, bad company. A lot of PD departments went with them for costs reasons, not because they are the best weapon.
Now why do you think so many PDs went to Glocks? I think they are over rated myself and don't like them a ton. I do own one and it's the handgun that I have taught my wife to shoot since it's so simple. I don't really like the DAO trigger setup, but for what it was made to do, it works great. For shooting cans or targets there are better options out there. Don't HATE them, but don't plan on buying another one at this time and like a lot of other makes better. Messages 1, Reactions I'm an unrepentant Glockhead, and that in itself seems to be enough to trigger hysterical responses, especially from the Good Ole Boys.
All it takes is a little fanboy adulation from me to set off those types who have spent 3X as much for a pistol that weighs twice as much, has lower capacity, and is reliably unreliable when exposed to dirt, water, or abuse. Don't get me wrong; I love the look of a polished, blued slide, but I wouldn't carry it anywhere except a BBQ. As a lad freshly-turned 21, folks in the know told me that I would have to apply for an FID first, which only allows ownership of low-capacity rifles, wait 3 to 5 years, and then apply for an LTC-A license.
The LTC-A allows holders to not only purchase pre ban high-capacity pistols and rifles, but also carry a handgun for self defense. When I went to see the officer in charge at my local precinct to inquire about an FID, I was pleasantly surprised, then mortified. He was a family friend that my parents had known for years. The combination of my parents being staunchly anti-gun, me living under their roof while I was looking for a full-time job and not letting them know of my intentions of firearms ownership, made me quite nervous.
The training requirements are the same and you can get whatever you want. The results were beyond my wildest expectations. Not only could I buy the Mauser of my dreams, but I could buy all sorts of things. The pistol of mention, my first handgun and a total jerk. Photo by Jim Grant.
At that point I pulled an about face and feeling like a pervert walking past an adult store, tried to steer myself into the shop nonchalantly. I was astounded. Sure they exist, but I would never see one in my lifetime. As a young, impressionable lad with an unhealthy amount of World War II knowledge, I was practically giddy.
I could not get my liscence or wallet out fast enough, I practically threw them at the man. I was deemed unworthy. An outcast from this enclave of artillery and antiquity. I felt like Churchill with London burning. It was my darkest hour. Once outside, I called my bank to tell them how much I hated them. If I had hugged her at that very moment, the force my joy would have popped her head off like a dandylion.
With finances in order, I approached the altar of arms and after the million-question form was filled out, I was bestowed with the and a box of ammo. The minute drive home felt like 4 years. Upon arrival I stripped, cleaned and oiled the gun a dozen times. Memorising the manual of arms and marveling at the tool-less disassembly.
Since it was Sunday and the closest range I could get to was closed I had to wait until next weekend to go shooting. The majority of time was spent online researching and ogling s. I paid for a lane, an extra box of ammo and one spare USGI magazine. As I approached my lane, wearing cheap rental glasses and ear-muffs, I could feel the excitement building. I loaded my magazines and placed one in the magwell of the Parkerized pistol.
My hands were shaking horribly. I had never fired a handgun before in my life. I had been told the. Foes shot with the. I locked my elbow, tea-cupping with my support hand, aligned the sights carefully and yanked the trigger. It was terrible.
I got soot in my nose, my ears were ringing, my wrists were sore and so was my face, from the enormous shit-eating grin I wore the entire time. The is the epitome of pistol ergonomics. The angle is perfect, the trigger pull is a work of art and the reload is quick — everything about the gun is top notch. Can you imagine what life would be like as an adult, if every girl you dated in high school was super model?
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